#100998: "The selection of gurus by the number of games played generates a representativeness bias"
מה קרה? אנא בחר מהרשימה מטה
מה קרה? אנא בחר מהרשימה מטה
בבקשה בדוק אם יש כבר דוח על אותו נושא
אם כן, הצביעו בעד הדיווח הזה, דיווחים עם הכי הרבה קולות נחקרים ראשונים
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תיאור מפורט
• אנא העתק/הדבק את הודעת השגיאה המופיעה במסך, אם יש כזו.
-• בבקשה הסבר מה רצית לעשות,מה עשית ומה קרה
These are Gurus who select the game configuration for arena seasons - Great idea !
Gurus are selected because they play one specific game a lot on BGA plateform - of course !
When a game offers different configurations for the number of players, games with few players are faster and therefore more numerous than those with many players. - Obvious !
Also the probability of becoming a Guru is greater if a player prefer to play short games than long games, because the selection is based on the number of games completed during a period.
Finally, over seasons, the games configurations (chosen by Gurus) will be shorter and shorter, with fewer players, even if the games concerned are richer in configuration with more players.
I think this can be considered as a problem/bug, because some good players (who like big setups) might lose interest in seasons, as we can see in some comments.
May be a more representative selection of Gurus should be established
Proposal : In a game with possible configurations for 2, 3 or 4 players, select 1/3 of the Gurus on their greatest number of games completed at 2 players, 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 3 players and 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 4 (taking into account duplicate players).
Thanks for reading me.
• מה הדפדפן שלך?
Google Chrome v117
• בבקשה העתק והדבק את הטקסט המוצג באנגלית במקום בשפה שלך. אם יש לך צילום מסך (מומלץ) אתה יכול להשתמש ב Imgur.com כדי להעלות אותו להדביק קישור לכאן.
-• האם טקסט זה זמין במערכת התרגום? אם כן, האם היא תורגמה במשך יותר מ -24 שעות?
These are Gurus who select the game configuration for arena seasons - Great idea !
Gurus are selected because they play one specific game a lot on BGA plateform - of course !
When a game offers different configurations for the number of players, games with few players are faster and therefore more numerous than those with many players. - Obvious !
Also the probability of becoming a Guru is greater if a player prefer to play short games than long games, because the selection is based on the number of games completed during a period.
Finally, over seasons, the games configurations (chosen by Gurus) will be shorter and shorter, with fewer players, even if the games concerned are richer in configuration with more players.
I think this can be considered as a problem/bug, because some good players (who like big setups) might lose interest in seasons, as we can see in some comments.
May be a more representative selection of Gurus should be established
Proposal : In a game with possible configurations for 2, 3 or 4 players, select 1/3 of the Gurus on their greatest number of games completed at 2 players, 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 3 players and 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 4 (taking into account duplicate players).
Thanks for reading me.
• מה הדפדפן שלך?
Google Chrome v117
• אנא הסבר את ההצעה שלך במדויק ותמצית כדי שיהיה קל ככל האפשר להבין למה אתה מתכוון.
-• מה הדפדפן שלך?
Google Chrome v117
• מה הוצג על המסך כאשר נחסמה (מסך ריק? חלק ממשק המשחק? הודעת שגיאה?)
-• מה הדפדפן שלך?
Google Chrome v117
• איזה חלק של הכללים לא היה מכובד על ידי עיבוד BGA
-• האם אפשר לראות את הפרת החוק בשידור החוזר? אם כן, באיזה מספר מהלך?
These are Gurus who select the game configuration for arena seasons - Great idea !
Gurus are selected because they play one specific game a lot on BGA plateform - of course !
When a game offers different configurations for the number of players, games with few players are faster and therefore more numerous than those with many players. - Obvious !
Also the probability of becoming a Guru is greater if a player prefer to play short games than long games, because the selection is based on the number of games completed during a period.
Finally, over seasons, the games configurations (chosen by Gurus) will be shorter and shorter, with fewer players, even if the games concerned are richer in configuration with more players.
I think this can be considered as a problem/bug, because some good players (who like big setups) might lose interest in seasons, as we can see in some comments.
May be a more representative selection of Gurus should be established
Proposal : In a game with possible configurations for 2, 3 or 4 players, select 1/3 of the Gurus on their greatest number of games completed at 2 players, 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 3 players and 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 4 (taking into account duplicate players).
Thanks for reading me.
• מה הדפדפן שלך?
Google Chrome v117
• מה היה המהלך במשחק שרצית לבצע?
-• מה ניסית לעשות שגרם לפעולה הזו
These are Gurus who select the game configuration for arena seasons - Great idea !
Gurus are selected because they play one specific game a lot on BGA plateform - of course !
When a game offers different configurations for the number of players, games with few players are faster and therefore more numerous than those with many players. - Obvious !
Also the probability of becoming a Guru is greater if a player prefer to play short games than long games, because the selection is based on the number of games completed during a period.
Finally, over seasons, the games configurations (chosen by Gurus) will be shorter and shorter, with fewer players, even if the games concerned are richer in configuration with more players.
I think this can be considered as a problem/bug, because some good players (who like big setups) might lose interest in seasons, as we can see in some comments.
May be a more representative selection of Gurus should be established
Proposal : In a game with possible configurations for 2, 3 or 4 players, select 1/3 of the Gurus on their greatest number of games completed at 2 players, 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 3 players and 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 4 (taking into account duplicate players).
Thanks for reading me.
• מה קרה כאשר את/ה מנסה לעשות את זה (הודעת שגיאה, הודעת פס סטטוס משחק, ...)?
• מה הדפדפן שלך?
Google Chrome v117
• באיזה שלב במשחק הבעייה קרתה (מה היו ההוראות הנכונות)
-• מה קרה כאשר את/ה מנסה לבצע פעולת משחק (הודעת שגיאה, הודעת פס סטטוס משחק, ...)?
These are Gurus who select the game configuration for arena seasons - Great idea !
Gurus are selected because they play one specific game a lot on BGA plateform - of course !
When a game offers different configurations for the number of players, games with few players are faster and therefore more numerous than those with many players. - Obvious !
Also the probability of becoming a Guru is greater if a player prefer to play short games than long games, because the selection is based on the number of games completed during a period.
Finally, over seasons, the games configurations (chosen by Gurus) will be shorter and shorter, with fewer players, even if the games concerned are richer in configuration with more players.
I think this can be considered as a problem/bug, because some good players (who like big setups) might lose interest in seasons, as we can see in some comments.
May be a more representative selection of Gurus should be established
Proposal : In a game with possible configurations for 2, 3 or 4 players, select 1/3 of the Gurus on their greatest number of games completed at 2 players, 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 3 players and 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 4 (taking into account duplicate players).
Thanks for reading me.
• מה הדפדפן שלך?
Google Chrome v117
• אנא תאר/י את הנושא המוצג. אם יש לך צילום מסך (מומלץ) אתה יכול להשתמש ב Imgur.com כדי להעלות אותו להדביק קישור לכאן.
-• מה הדפדפן שלך?
Google Chrome v117
• בבקשה העתק והדבק את הטקסט המוצג באנגלית במקום בשפה שלך. אם יש לך צילום מסך (מומלץ) אתה יכול להשתמש ב Imgur.com כדי להעלות אותו להדביק קישור לכאן.
-• האם טקסט זה זמין במערכת התרגום? אם כן, האם היא תורגמה במשך יותר מ -24 שעות?
These are Gurus who select the game configuration for arena seasons - Great idea !
Gurus are selected because they play one specific game a lot on BGA plateform - of course !
When a game offers different configurations for the number of players, games with few players are faster and therefore more numerous than those with many players. - Obvious !
Also the probability of becoming a Guru is greater if a player prefer to play short games than long games, because the selection is based on the number of games completed during a period.
Finally, over seasons, the games configurations (chosen by Gurus) will be shorter and shorter, with fewer players, even if the games concerned are richer in configuration with more players.
I think this can be considered as a problem/bug, because some good players (who like big setups) might lose interest in seasons, as we can see in some comments.
May be a more representative selection of Gurus should be established
Proposal : In a game with possible configurations for 2, 3 or 4 players, select 1/3 of the Gurus on their greatest number of games completed at 2 players, 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 3 players and 1/3 on the greatest number of games completed at 4 (taking into account duplicate players).
Thanks for reading me.
• מה הדפדפן שלך?
Google Chrome v117
• אנא הסבר את ההצעה שלך במדויק ותמצית כדי שיהיה קל ככל האפשר להבין למה אתה מתכוון.
-• מה הדפדפן שלך?
Google Chrome v117
היסטוריית דיווחים
You seem to misunderstand how gurus work.
You can be a guru without playing in the arena so people playing the game in various configurations CAN be represented.
But it is true that many experienced players only play or mostly play in Arena mode and they might pass for a season if they don't like the configuration which creates an unwelcome form of inertia.
Perhaps games with more players should count for a bit more as they take more time ?
I don't think that forcing other players counts to be represented would be a good idea.
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You aren't more likely to become a guru in a short game because the number of games required to play to become a guru depends on how many times the other players play the game.
I have once been a guru for a game (Expedition Northwest) for playing a single game in that season and I didn't even have 100 ELO.
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It is also true that making gurus only those who play the game a lot creates a bias.
I think that there should be a certain randomness to it to create representativity :
- on top of the players selected for having played the most, some players should be selected randomly at some specific time before the end of the season. There would be a minimum requirement like having finished 2 games within the season, excluding "friendly" games.
All in all, I don't think it is a very important issue but it is an issue.
הוסף לדוח הזה
- מספר שולחן/מהלך אחר
- האם לחיצה על F5 פתר את הבעיה?
- האם הבעיה הופיע כמה פעמים? בכל פעם? באופן אקראי?
- אם יש לך צילום מסך (מומלץ) אתה יכול להשתמש ב Imgur.com כדי להעלות אותו להדביק קישור לכאן.