#111437: "ELO problem because wrongly set as "team loss""
על מה דוח זה?
מה קרה? אנא בחר מהרשימה מטה
מה קרה? אנא בחר מהרשימה מטה
בבקשה בדוק אם יש כבר דוח על אותו נושא
אם כן, הצביעו בעד הדיווח הזה, דיווחים עם הכי הרבה קולות נחקרים ראשונים
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תיאור מפורט
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• אנא העתק/הדבק את הודעת השגיאה המופיעה במסך, אם יש כזו.
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? -
• בבקשה הסבר מה רצית לעשות,מה עשית ומה קרה
End of game
• מה הדפדפן שלך?
Google Chrome v120
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• בבקשה העתק והדבק את הטקסט המוצג באנגלית במקום בשפה שלך. אם יש לך צילום מסך (מומלץ) אתה יכול להשתמש ב Imgur.com כדי להעלות אותו להדביק קישור לכאן.
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? -
• האם טקסט זה זמין במערכת התרגום? אם כן, האם היא תורגמה במשך יותר מ -24 שעות?
End of game
• מה הדפדפן שלך?
Google Chrome v120
-
• אנא הסבר את ההצעה שלך במדויק ותמצית כדי שיהיה קל ככל האפשר להבין למה אתה מתכוון.
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? • מה הדפדפן שלך?
Google Chrome v120
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• מה הוצג על המסך כאשר נחסמה (מסך ריק? חלק ממשק המשחק? הודעת שגיאה?)
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? • מה הדפדפן שלך?
Google Chrome v120
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• איזה חלק של הכללים לא היה מכובד על ידי עיבוד BGA
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? -
• האם אפשר לראות את הפרת החוק בשידור החוזר? אם כן, באיזה מספר מהלך?
End of game
• מה הדפדפן שלך?
Google Chrome v120
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• מה היה המהלך במשחק שרצית לבצע?
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? -
• מה ניסית לעשות שגרם לפעולה הזו
End of game
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• מה קרה כאשר את/ה מנסה לעשות את זה (הודעת שגיאה, הודעת פס סטטוס משחק, ...)?
• מה הדפדפן שלך?
Google Chrome v120
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• באיזה שלב במשחק הבעייה קרתה (מה היו ההוראות הנכונות)
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? -
• מה קרה כאשר את/ה מנסה לבצע פעולת משחק (הודעת שגיאה, הודעת פס סטטוס משחק, ...)?
End of game
• מה הדפדפן שלך?
Google Chrome v120
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• אנא תאר/י את הנושא המוצג. אם יש לך צילום מסך (מומלץ) אתה יכול להשתמש ב Imgur.com כדי להעלות אותו להדביק קישור לכאן.
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? • מה הדפדפן שלך?
Google Chrome v120
-
• בבקשה העתק והדבק את הטקסט המוצג באנגלית במקום בשפה שלך. אם יש לך צילום מסך (מומלץ) אתה יכול להשתמש ב Imgur.com כדי להעלות אותו להדביק קישור לכאן.
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? -
• האם טקסט זה זמין במערכת התרגום? אם כן, האם היא תורגמה במשך יותר מ -24 שעות?
End of game
• מה הדפדפן שלך?
Google Chrome v120
-
• אנא הסבר את ההצעה שלך במדויק ותמצית כדי שיהיה קל ככל האפשר להבין למה אתה מתכוון.
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? • מה הדפדפן שלך?
Google Chrome v120
היסטוריית דיווחים
And not the only one introduced by the recent changes if I understand correctly the situation with the "consecutive wins" thing.
Ah well, I hope they are aware of most of it even if the admins don't answer to the reports.
Is this set?
"'losers_not_ranked' => true,"
That causes the exhibited behaviour, according to the docs. en.doc.boardgamearena.com/Main_game_logic:_yourgamename.game.php#Only_%22winners%22_and_%22losers%22
(The explanatory text "You cannot win ELO from teammates on a loss" is very misleading...)
I think losers_not_ranked should be set to false, as losers are in fact ranked in this game (by tiebreaker order of elimination). Either that or Losers should not be ranked (set to zero, no tiebreaker).
Turns out that even if losers are actually not ranked, losers_not_ranked is wonky: boardgamearena.com/bug?id=115682
But! The situation gets even worse when the setting is set to true and yet losers ARE ranked (as they are in this game). So I'd still say it's a bug to have both.
So I think the best, and it so happens also the easiest fix, is to set this to false. The results will be ranked (tie-broken by score or order of elimination as they already are) and Elo will be calculated just as for any normal ranked-result game.
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And this time it's just a win by killing everyone, no special card involved.
I have looked at ton of other non-team 4player games and, so far, I have only seen the problem in this game and in this game I saw it twice.
So, while the problem is likely in the framework, I'm pretty sure that some kind of setting or handling in King of Tokyo is triggering the bug. The coincidence is becoming a bit big for it not to be the case.
Give instead 1 point to everyone and 10 to the winner and it will be ok. (I hope)
I looked at a bunch of game from a player and the 2nd and 3rd players at the end never gain ELO.
boardgamearena.com/gamestats?player=92814398
I checked and I don't have that "team loss" problem in the following games (played at 3 to 6 players):
- stella dixit, Race for the Galaxy, Automobiles, Downforce, Terranova, Heat
In all of those games, I have seen 2nd placed player win some ELO and never seen a player get +0 ELO tagged as "team loss"
You probably know what might be different between this game and Heat so here is an example for Heat where 2nd player won some ELO
boardgamearena.com/table?table=475885410
- Either It should be set to false (that would make it function like all other ranked games. Say, Ticket to Ride)
- or all losers should have their scores set to 0 with no tiebreakers (that would make it function like Coup, where one winner takes all, always, and order of elimination does not matter)
הוסף לדוח הזה
- מספר שולחן/מהלך אחר
- האם לחיצה על F5 פתר את הבעיה?
- האם הבעיה הופיע כמה פעמים? בכל פעם? באופן אקראי?
- אם יש לך צילום מסך (מומלץ) אתה יכול להשתמש ב Imgur.com כדי להעלות אותו להדביק קישור לכאן.
